The New Donation Arrangement

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Re: The New Donation Arrangement

#11 Post by Bobcat » 8 years ago

Wow Bobcat....thanks for your research.
I'd like to take credit for this, but I am simply passing on what others have found.

A search of the WT Library using this phrase (pledg* & donat*) returned these:
*** w51 5/1 pp. 284-285 Planning Now for the Time to Come ***
Planning ahead is a Scriptural and proper procedure, and the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society likes to plan ahead to the extent that it can. Every year those who anticipate that they may want to contribute some funds to the Society during the coming twelve months are privileged to write to the office of the treasurer and so state their hopes in this regard. This is in no sense of the word a pledge, but, in so stating what they intend to do, those writing in merely give an indication of what they hope they can do. That is why we often refer to it as “Good Hopes”. A discussion of the matter here is not a solicitation in any sense of the word. The response to this Watchtower article is simply an individual’s expression of a hope that during the forthcoming twelve months an amount will be donated according to his present plans. That gives the Society something on which to base its program for the coming year.
I wonder if this would apply to what was done this past week?
*** w61 5/1 p. 279 How Jehovah Prospers His Work ***
Q. Since collection plates are never passed, how do the local congregations meet their expenses?
A. They meet their expenses locally in the same way as they support the work generally—voluntarily. A contribution box is kept near the entrance to the Kingdom Hall. (2 Ki. 12:9) All donations, including the widow’s “two small coins,” help defray expenses, whether that be for Kingdom Hall construction, rent, fuel, light, water, and so forth. (Mark 12:42) No pledges are taken; no list of contributors is made. Once a month the minister responsible for the accounts reads a brief statement to the congregation, advising them of total contributions and expenditures. When newly dedicated Witnesses understand this arrangement, they voluntarily take part, each one “as he may be prospering.” (1 Cor. 16:2) This is the practice in each of the 21,008 congregations world-wide.
*** w60 5/1 p. 267 How Is the Kingdom Work Financed? ***
That the Society may plan its expenses for the year, it needs to know approximately how much Jehovah’s witnesses and interested persons plan to contribute. What they promise is not a pledge but merely an estimation of what they hope to donate during the year. Call it their contribution prospects. It is a voluntary promise such as was made by the Corinthians: “I thought it necessary to encourage the brothers to come to you in advance and to get ready in advance your bountiful gift previously promised.”—2 Cor. 9:5.
*** w59 5/1 p. 286 Sharing the Good News by Contributing Personally ***
In harmony with Paul’s words, each year the Society calls attention to your privilege of making personal contributions and of indicating to the Society the prospects for such donations through the ensuing year. In doing this, the Society is not taking up pledges. Such announcement does not change any donation made in response thereto from being a voluntary donation. For example, in the preparation for constructing the tabernacle, Moses said: “This is the word that Jehovah has commanded, saying, ‘From among yourselves take up a contribution for Jehovah.’” The response? “The sons of Israel brought a voluntary offering to Jehovah.”—Ex. 35:4, 5, 29.
In every instance, "pledge" (in connection with donations) is portrayed as anathema.

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Re: The New Donation Arrangement

#12 Post by GodsWordIsTruth » 8 years ago

Very interesting Bobcat!

Why the sharp departure from these formerly held views? Perhaps the new "donation" arrangement is neither right or wrong technically. However , in principle, we are doing the very thing we condemned other churches for.

What happened to having explicit trust in Jehovah to provide what we need financially to accomplish our work? We are taught that anything less demonstrates a lack of faith...right? Isn't this what we tell the pioneers ,missionaries etc. who are strapped for cash because they gave up everything to preach the "good news"?Why can't the GB practice what THEY preach?

If suddenly the GB or WTBS (corporate)need to take a "census" could it be that Jehovah is not blessing this ambitious expansion of their organization???

IMO somebody up there wants to keep up with the Joneses smh.

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Re: The New Donation Arrangement

#13 Post by Bobcat » 8 years ago

Exactly! How many assembly parts implore publishers not to wait for the right circumstances before signing up to pioneer. 'Faith will move us to trust Jehovah.' So if the new arrangement is God's will, then go forward with it and trust that Jehovah will provide the motivation for others to help. Of course, canceling all those mortgages would take some faith.

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Re: The New Donation Arrangement

#14 Post by GodsWordIsTruth » 8 years ago

Bobcat wrote:Of course, canceling all those mortgages would take some faith.
I'm convinced that the GB is not strapped for cash. Stop building monuments (wakill) while my congregation has buckets everywhere in the auditorium because the roof is leaking. Stop trying to build KH on every corner of the Globe. This upcoming lavish international assembly in my neck of the woods is unnecessary. (it's all over the newspapers here ....I guess they are getting free publicity ;) )We don't need assemblies 3 times a year for Pete's sakes and all of these "training schools" (For single people, for married people, the list goes on and on). If you can't afford it cut back.That's what they tell the "rank and file " to do.

On a side note... Does the GB own the KH's ? Or are these mortgages through a bank?


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Re: The New Donation Arrangement

#15 Post by Bobcat » 8 years ago

GWIT wrote:

On a side note... Does the GB own the KH's ? Or are these mortgages through a bank?
I'm not aware of any that are not held by the Society. The Society does not allow any congregations to build, remodel, or finance (other than thru the Society/RBC arrangement). If I am incorrect on that statement I am open to being corrected.

The Society has published a set of "Articles of Association & Bylaws" (I think that wording is correct) that lay out the disposition of the Kingdom Hall. COs have been encouraging title holding congregations to resolve to abide by them. The "Articles," among other things, say that in the event that the home congregation is dissolved, and after all outstanding debts are paid off, the Kingdom Hall reverts to being owned by the Society.

Only the title holding congregation votes on these "Articles" (in the case of multi-congregation Kingdom Halls).

It is 3 pages long. Even to my non-legally trained eyes, it is, without a doubt, a legal document written by WT lawyers. In fact, I think it can be downloaded from the Society's web site if one has the authorization.

It is a document meant to be adopted by the congregation that is the title holder. Or at least, that is what a current elder told me.

Some have suggested that it is meant for allowing the seizing the KH property. In answer to that, from my reading of it, I can see where it allows the Society to do just that. Now whether they intend to do that would be another story. But as far as I can tell (again, I'm not legally trained), it allows for just that. I imagine it serves as a fail-safe in the case of a renegade (from the WT viewpoint) congregation.

Here are some of the main features of the three page document:

Page 1, Article IV - PURPOSES (There are four listed. I just put the gist. Number 4 is verbatim.)

1. To worship Jehovah, support rulership of Christ

2. To gather for instruction, mutual encouragement, and be strengthened to do God's will.

3. To learn the truths of the Bible and faiths and beliefs of JWs, all of which are based upon the Bible. [note: that's how it reads]

4. To recognize the spiritual authority of the ecclesiastical Governing Body of JWs ("Governing Body") [again, that's how it reads except I abbreviated JWs]

Page 2, Article VI - MEMBERS

The members of the Congregation shall be individuals who are fully dedicated to Almighty God, Jehovah, baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, are completely in harmony with the doctrines and organizational arrangements set forth by the Governing Body, and report ministerial activity to the Congregation. Anyone meeting these requirements who is at least 18 years of age shall be designated a member of the Congregation.

Any member who moves from the Congregation or is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses shall be automatically removed from membership in the Congregation without the need of his resignation.

Page 2, Article VIII - AMENDMENT

These articles of Association and Bylaws may be amended or repealed, in whole or in part, by a majority vote of the members at any noticed and scheduled meeting of the Congregation. (I thought this was curious, but probably required.)

Page 2, Article IX - PERSONAL LIABILITY

No member of the Congregation shall be personally liable for any of the debts, liabilities, or obligations of the Congregation.

Page 2, Article X - PROPERTY

(a) The property of the Congregation is irrevocably dedicated to religious purposes, and no part of the net earnings or assets of the Congregation shall inure to the benefit of an elder, trustee, any member of the Congregation, or any private individual. No substantial part of the activities of the Congregation shall consist of the carrying on of propaganda or otherwise attempting to influence legislation, nor shall the Congregation participate in or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements) any political campaign on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office. (followed by references to US and IRS laws)

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(b) In the event a dispute ever arises over who is entitled to own or possess the property of the Congregation, if the Congregation cannot decide the dispute in a manner satisfactory to all of the members, the dispute will be decided by Christian Congregation of JWs in the United States, or by any other organization designated by the ecclesiastical Governing Body of JWs. The determination [of said organization] as described herein will be final and binding on all members, including those who may have disagreed or dissented.

Page 3, Article XI - DISSOLUTION

Upon dissolution of the Congregation, after paying or adequately providing for debts and obligations of the Congregation, the remaining assets shall be distributed to Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., a corporation organized under Internal revenue Code Section 501(c)(3) for religious purposes. No assets will be deemed to be received by Watchtower ... until such acceptance is evidenced in writing. If Watchtower ... is not then in existence and exempt from federal income tax under section 501(c)(3) ... then said assets shall be distributed to any organization designated by the ecclesiastical Governing Body of JWs that is organized and operated for religious purposes and is an organization exempt from federal income tax under section 501(c)(3) ...

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Re: The New Donation Arrangement

#16 Post by Bobcat » 8 years ago

What was most curious to me when our congregation voted on these: The bylaws were displayed on the info board for two weeks prior to voting on them. I could only find two people who had read them prior to voting on them (myself & one of my children). (!?!?) The vote only required a majority of those present in order to adopt. (Thus, 3 congregations helped build the hall and contribute towards it, but only 23 votes, out of 44 adult publishers present that evening, were needed to adopt the resolution.)

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Re: The New Donation Arrangement

#17 Post by apollos0fAlexandria » 8 years ago

No substantial part of the activities of the Congregation shall consist of the carrying on of propaganda
This made me smile. I would say >90% of the activities of the Congregation consists of the carrying on of propaganda.

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Re: The New Donation Arrangement

#18 Post by InNeedOfGrace » 8 years ago

Bobcat wrote:
GWIT wrote:

4. To recognize the spiritual authority of the ecclesiastical Governing Body of JWs ("Governing Body") [again, that's how it reads except I abbreviated JWs]
So one of the purposes of the meetings is the above? ;) At least they are honest!
I can't imagine them having the hubris to put this in their bi-laws 50 years ago. It seems with time passing by, they feel more and more comfortable stating the obvious,
and most don't seem to mind.

We now have:

To be a pioneer, you need to acknowledge the GB
You go to meetings to recognize the authority of the GB
You are baptized by recognizing the GB

What's next? Sigh...

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Re: The New Donation Arrangement

#19 Post by GodsWordIsTruth » 8 years ago

Bobcat wrote: Page 2, Article VI - MEMBERS

The members of the Congregation shall be individuals who are fully dedicated to Almighty God, Jehovah, baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, are completely in harmony with the doctrines and organizational arrangements set forth by the Governing Body, and report ministerial activity to the Congregation. Anyone meeting these requirements who is at least 18 years of age shall be designated a member of the Congregation.

To your point INOG what is the purpose of this statement ^^^^^^?

Since when is any member who is baptized under the age of 18 years old not a member of the Congregation. Correct me if I am wrong but I swear that the announcement that you are a JW immediately follows after the baptism questions at the assembly . That announcement is usually followed by a round of applause.

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Re: The New Donation Arrangement

#20 Post by Bobcat » 8 years ago

InNeedofGrace wrote:

Sigh...
Yea, that's about how I feel too.

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